American Football

[jobo 100]

No fuck Michigan and im disappointed with the decision.

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

yea, talk about putting a cap on one of the biggest rivalries amongst both teams... MSU, OSU and ND are my hated rivalries... and in a few years i will have to laugh at ND from a distance...

@QD - here's the greatest catch in college football history in my opinion...

this recent thing made me think of this... nothing will ever top it... i think he broke his leg on the play too...

[jobo 100]

I was pretty pist during the game because I was at a party and couldn't watch it so I had to look at play by play updates on my phone.

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

i was working and had to watch denard throw pick after pick after pick, then watch the RB throw one on a stupid trick play call in the redzone... there's a TV near the cafe... we live and die with denard robinson, even if he throws 4 picks... we even still had a chance to win... i will miss denard after this season, he's the most exciting player in college football ever, and the next devin hester in the NFL...

[jobo 100]

Sick catch I think during the Detroit Tennessee game the titans play caught a ball behind a guy then after the catch took it to the house.

Back to notre dame Kelly is pissing me off not playing Rees.

[Qdeathstar 1763]

Simultaneous possession is not viewable, except for in the end zone. Were this took place.

[jobo 100]

Who is Michigan's next star at QB.

[Qdeathstar 1763]

Clearly the wrong call, regardless....

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

Simultaneous possession is not viewable, except for in the end zone. Were this took place.

good call then... and there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call from there, i never saw anyone establish possession over the other... in this social media world we live in, we hear everyone's initial reaction when it happens, and in the aftermath we start to hear reason... i still stand by the call on the field...

@jobo - russell bellamy, a 4 star prospect and a traditional pocket passing QB... remember, brady hoke is still working with the leftovers from rich rodriquez and his spread philosophy... so he's got this last year of having this electrifying talent... i still want to see him catch a couple of passes before the year is over... he's needs to be converted to a WR/KR in order to succeed at the next level...

[Qdeathstar 1763]

Dunno, everyone but seahawks fans and you think it was a bad call, so you can think what you want, but your wrong, Fact.

The whole gsme was officiated terribly,

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

show me where someone established possession first, no one can prove that... i'm always right, fact... but the fact is, we need the old refs back... this was just the tipping point...

[Qdeathstar 1763]

/me high fives bones over fact!

[Ostrich Boy 59]

yea, talk about putting a cap on one of the biggest rivalries amongst both teams... MSU, OSU and ND are my hated rivalries... and in a few years i will have to laugh at ND from a distance...

@QD - here's the greatest catch in college football history in my opinion...

this recent thing made me think of this... nothing will ever top it... i think he broke his leg on the play too...

This catch is equally impressive:

[Qdeathstar 1763]

***WARNING: Wall Of Text Spoiler Alert***

Interesting article from PFT....

The NFL’s adroitly-drafted statement regarding the Monday night debacle in Seattle glosses over the most important question presented by the play.

What if Packers safety M.D. Jenning gained control of the ball before Golden Tate? As we address that question, keep in mind the difference between “control” and “possession.”

“When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both [seahawks receiver Golden] Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball,” the league’s statement explains. “Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.”

In reality, the outcome was determined before the players hit the ground. That’s when Jennings first gained “control” of the ball, regardless of whether Tate eventually secured simultaneous “possession” of it.

The relevant portion of the official 2012 rules comes from Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5: “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.” (Emphasis added.) Thus, it doesn’t matter whether the officials determined that Tate and Jennings jointly had “possession” when they landed; the question is whether Jennings “gained control” first.

The NFL’s statement likely omitted that fact because the video shows Jennings “gained control” first. This video shows the best angle; Jennings caught the ball with both hands while Tate had only one hand (his left) on the ball. Tate eventually got his right hand on the ball, but after Jennings “gained control” of it.

The league’s most recent casebook, which is posted at NFL.com, specifically addresses this situation at A.R. 8.29, under the all-caps title NOT A SIMULTANEOUS CATCH: “First-and-10 on A20. B3 controls a pass in the air at the A40 before A2, who then also controls the ball before they land. As they land, A2 and B3 fall down to the ground. Ruling: B’s ball, first-and-10 on A40. Not a simultaneous catch as B3 gains control first and retains control.” (Emphasis added.)

Some Seahawks fans defend the indefensible claim that the catch isn’t complete until the players land on the ground, citing the ever-confusing “Calvin Johnson rule,” which makes a catch not a catch until the player maintains possession through the act of going to the ground. They cling to that principle for a very good reason; the league’s statement specifically quotes the rule, blurring the line between “control” and “possession.”

Consider the plain language of the rule regarding a completed pass: “A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds: (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and ( touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and © maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and ( have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).”

This isn’t about maintaining control through the act of going to the ground; it’s about who first secured control, whether the players were in the air or on the ground. Jennings first secured control, while he and Tate were in the air.

Here’s A.R. 8.29, with the names of the player’s included: “Jennings controls a pass in the air before Tate, who then also controls the ball before they land. As they land, Tate and Jennings fall down to the ground. Ruling: Green Bay’s ball. Not a simultaneous catch as Jennings gains control first and retains control.”

Though it gets complicated, it’s actually pretty simple. Jennings gained control first. Tate, at best, secured joint control later. That’s not a simultaneous catch.

Then there’s the faction of Seahawks fans who believe that there was insufficient visual evidence to overturn the ruling on the field, regardless of whether the ruling was touchdown or interception. But that’s where the league’s statement also is wrong. It’s indisputable that Jennings gained control first, as evidenced by Jennings having two arms at the ball when Tate has only one.

As a result, we reject the league’s statement as the predictable sort of wagon-circling in which the league has been engaged ever since it put third-rate-at-best officials into the costume and pawned them off as sufficiently competent to rise to the challenge of officiating an NFL game. The very complexity of this rule proves that these officials lack the ability to remember, interpret, and apply these principles in real time.

Of course, the non-replacement replay official and the non-replacement league supervisor screwed this one up, too. Which perhaps highlights the importance of having non-replacement officials who know these rules and can apply these rules on the field at all times.

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

finally, a full explanation from a reliable source... i check out PFT every now and then... while me and others agree with the "calvin johnson rule" as it's happened to my team twice in the last 5 years, that's the rule i was drawing from... you must maintain and show possession throughout the play in the endzone... when both came down together, i figured that the calvin johnson rule was in effect... so the fact that both had the ball warrants the offense the possession...

but, like i mentioned earlier in this discussion, i thought someone told me that the first to establish possession was the one that gets the ball... you told me that didn't apply, but it does... so now i retract my earlier statement and now say it was an interception... GB clearly was the 1st to establish possession, but i was always drawing from the bernard berrien, i mean calvin johnson rule... i saw neither establish possession solely... which is why i kept saying the call was right...

thanks QD, i really wanted to agree with everyone, but i've seen this happen before so i was in favor with the ruling on the field... but with a full explanation i can now rest in peace...

[Qdeathstar 1763]

When i said that dual possession always goes to the offense, i was saying that that only applies when both players control the ball at the same time.... And that this situation was not dual possession so dual possession rules don't apply.

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

gotcha ...

i was always drawing from the bernard berrien calvin johnson rule this whole time, i just never mentioned that since i never call it that... i can't find the clip of the catch i am referring to for bernard berrien since the NFL has banned any video freely anywhere promoting their product (douchebags), but i've been breed to recognize established possession rule... and when the entire world threw their hands up in the air when it happened to CJ a couple years ago, i yelled "NO CATCH!" because we had the same game-winning play taken away from us in 2004... i think that was the year, but we lost a TD catch because he didn't follow thru on the complete possession...

the first established rule is new to me, because i have always thought that it didn't matter who first grabbed, it's who comes down with it... it's an important part of an endzone play...

[Qdeathstar 1763]

Hmm...

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

hmm...

[jobo 100]

Just in time for Thursday night.

[Qdeathstar 1763]

/me wiggles my breasts

[CaPn bOnEs 8527]

welp, i had numerous ravens in last last nights game in two leagues, and scored a monstrous amount of points to start off my week in both... in one of those, i had phil dawson, who had 3 50 yard kicks... if the rest of my players chip in here and there, i will win those... unless my opponents give me their best, which i usually get more than others... in the other one i didn't mention, i only had anquan boldin, who had a pretty good game himself...

[Ostrich Boy 59]

Nebraska's taking on Wisconsin tonight in what will hopefully give Nebraska the chance to make up for their terrible game against Wisconsin last year. Also, both teams are unveiling their god-awful new alternate uniforms.

[jobo 100]

Got a headache. First kickoff last night I hit the returner head to head. Got pulled in the 3rd quarter by the athletic trainer.

[Qdeathstar 1763]

Sue the school for your concussion....